ABDLSissy communities vs Kink & littles scene?
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I've been following, if only lurking for the most part, the ABDL and Sissy communities on various sites (primarily Sissy Kiss) for years now, but only around this past winter did I enter the general kink scene. Only at my first Fetish Flea (Providence RI - run by NELA - if you're anywhere within a 5-hour driving radius then YOU NEED TO GO!) did I actually meet anyone from the broader kink scene, aside from various pre-existing friends.

It was only at the Flea that I learned about littles and the small-but-growing number of littles munches (http://www.littlesmunch.com/content/ - the Boston and San Francisco ones I can both vouch for as being AWESOME). Soon thereafter I went to other local munches and started going to a dungeon in Hartford (thesocietyct.org).

It was only once I entered this broader kink community that I really got to understand my own kinks better, to discover a bunch of new ones (self-suspensions w/ rope are amazing!), and meet a bunch of new friends including my girl/boyfriend. I've learned that I'm not so much an ABDL as a 5-year-old little who likes to play dress-up and pretend, which is a subtle but remarkably-significant distinction in terms of headspace. Of course, I've also met tons of really influential people who've informed my gender explorations, as well as learning that I am probably polyamorous.

I've learned all of these things because I entered this kink community, which I had never known about in my years in the ABDL and sissy communities - WHY?! Why are they such separated communities?? I mean, I hadn't even heard of Fetlife.com, which is functionally the Facebook of the kink world (except, one that's not a security-disaster and I actually use...) - it's how most events are coordinated and advertised. It fits a very distinct niche from Sissy Kiss or really any other site I know of. Fetlife serves a very complimentary role to these sites, and I'm really puzzled that more members don't crossover between the two.

Some of it is definitely that littles and abdls are socially-marginalized in some kink communities (including the place in Hartford, but we're working on that!), and several people have commented that I'm the only little they've met who they liked. (One of my Boston DL/little friends has hypothesized that it's because many abdl/littles tend to be developmentally asynchronous or use it as an excuse to be immature??) But there are definitely a ton of us in the scene - I've met and actually gotten to know way more other littles, abdls, sissys, and babyfurs in person than I ever did before.

What is it about these two communities that would seem to have a lot in common that keeps them so segregated?

As I've become more active in the local kink community I've decided to try and work on some elements of our culture - bridging the divides between the younger and older members, between the different subcultures within the community (switches, traditional master/slave relationships, more obscure kinks, etc). One of the ones that most puzzles and frustrates me is this divide though. I want to start a Western MA/Pioneer Valley littles munch to compliment the Boston littles group, but I want to try and draw in more people from outside of 'the scene.' What would get people from this community to explore the kink one? What would pull more kinksters into this space?
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spacey-angelica
Hi River,

I can surely appreciate your questions. It's fairly inline with one of my personal missions: to help age players of all kinds to see that we have much, much more in common that divides us. One of my main vehicles for this has been the Atlanta Littles Munches I've been hosting. I also try to help others get munches started in their own areas, which is what I do through LittlesMunch.com.

Why you didn't learn about the broader age play community through here is harder to say. I know I've been posting about the Atlanta Munch here in the Random Chat thread for the last year or so, but I haven't been as active on the rest of boards here as I'd like to be. Of course, it's not just up to be to "spread the word" as they say.

I think, a lot of the time, it comes down to the tolerance for risk of the group members. I think, especially among ABDLs, there's a fear of not being accepted when stepping outside of the comfort zone. I see it time and time again when people first step out and attend the littles munch. There's a lot of nervousness that comes with going to the first munch for many folks. It's something that gets easier with time as people get involved and learn that we're all just regular people that happen to share some common interests. But, getting over that nervousness to explore a broader community can be very, very hard for some.

As for the acceptance of age play in the general kink/fetish communities, I think that has mostly come down to an issue of visibility. When I first started going to the kink club here in Atlanta, most had never meet or talked with another age player. They had heard about it and formed a caricature of what it meant in their minds, but they had no experience associating the topic with real people.

I too, have had the comment that I'm the age player they've met that they liked. But the truth is most who say that had never meet and got to know another age player. I'm glad to say that, here in Atlanta and many places along the East Coast, that perception seems to be changing. I think that's mostly owing to age players getting out and being part of their broader communities.

Anyway, I think I'm in danger of rambling here this early in the morning. So I'll wrap up by saying please keep up the great work of spreading the visibility of the broader age play/littles communities. If you'd like some help is getting the Western MA munch together, LittlesMunch.com has some resources available to assist. Just let me know. [email]spacey@theghidrah.com[/email]

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spacey / angelica - Adopted by Lady Mae

p.s. You can also find me as spacey on FetLife. :)
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GirlyLana
For me, I think the barrier I feel is from "scenes" being groups. I am much more comfortable with few people or one-on-one. Socializing I mean.  

Rivertam, you're words are certainly encouraging though... I have no doubt that I'd discover more about myself. Maybe one day the balance will tip, with help from the weight of your words... and I'll get myself into a "scene".  

I'm just not a party-goer, of any kind. Maybe others are fraidy of people too!   Usually babies just want a mommy or a daddy... and many strangers can be scary. Of course I'm a big girl now (even though I sometimes want my diapies!  ).

There's still the wider online scenes too... I used to be on alt.com, though they kept denying my dressed-up pictures because they were of "a girl", who obviously wasn't me because I was registered as male.   I'll have a look at your suggestions though.

Thank-you for the thoughts/questions, perhaps provoking thought in others too!
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rivertam
@GirlyLana - kink events vary WIDELY in flavor - from very casual munches in public resturaunts with kink usually as only a secondary topic of conversaiton ranging in size from 4 people to dozens, to 'dungeons' (such as my one in Hartford) with no sex or alcohol and mostly socializing and various people scening with atmospheres ranging from very light and casual to very high-protocal scary leathery (NOT my thing...), to 'clubs' like Boston Haven with booze, sex, and whatever (also very much illegal in Massachusetts...but fun sometimes as long as you're careful).

@spacey-angelica Ah, I've heard of youses, nice to meet you! (DYING to meet the Ghidrah all sometime in person!!) The Boston littles crew, in particular Rya, were some of the first people I met in the scene, and I loved the San Fran crew the one time I was out there.

I want to start up an ageplay munch out here (probably in Northampton since it's fairly central to the valley, right on 91, and only 20 minutes from me) - but I can't atually schedule anything for a few weeks or month or so until my school and work (assuming I can get a job...) settle out. I also won't know for another couple weeks if I'm on the Society restructuring board or not which will affect how much time I can commit...

Also, I'm traingeek on fetlife for those interested.
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PastelPrince
One thing that these sorts of sites or communities are reliant on is the chance that there are actually people interested in these things in your state/area. You can create all kinds of online forums and sites like Fetlife can be a place for people to gather and attempt starting up munches or monthly events, but if there aren't any people in the area, then it doesn't do much good. The problem I have is that the state i'm living in has a very low percentage of people interested, more or less willing to meet with others.  
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littlejycee
Well I am new to both communities (BDSM & ABDL/sissy), all I can say is that I found this site through FetLife and that I've seen a significant amout of groups dedicated to the process. There might be some segregation but my guess is that it is mostly due to difrent interests though we can all get along if need be.
Maybe I still have much more to explore in the lifestyle

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